Posts by Not Feeling It

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Looking for the official org chart . . .

by AuldSoul in

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a while back a poster put up a scan of the official org chart for the organization.

i found the one doug mason was working on, but the one i am remembering came from the watchtower itself and showed the hierarchy.

does anyone know which chart i am talking about and where i can find a good clean scan of it?

Not Feeling It

Yeah, this chart is glaringly incomplete.

It doesn't show anyone with Bethel in thier name in between Jesus and Elders. COs, DOs, Branchoids are above elders too. Anyone who does "more" than 10 hours is also above Ministerial Servants. Elders' wives are typically on par with Servants as well. Annointed should be below Servants unless they meet any of the rules above then bump them +1 from current position.

50% of the R&F are above the other 50% they are there to test unless you are female and then its minus eleventy for you. All R&F are somewhere below Servants and also balled-up used tissue paper.

-- Not Ranking It

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Odd JW visit today

by kwintestal in

there was a knock on the door this morning.

i was expecting a parcel so eagerly went to the door to find a lone man in a suit standing there.

he asked if i spoke spanish, to which i said "no.

Not Feeling It

I was in ASL and we could only witness to the deaf... we would spend all day searching for deaf people (mostly a waste of time) but were not supposed to witness to non-deaf...

VERY interesting. Wife and I have old friends who are very active in ASL territory. I should ask about this. They love to brag about how loving the brothers and sisters in ASL are. Actually they love to brag about anything.

Geez, why are the still my friends? Oh yeah, they are old friends. Meh.

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The Rapidly Emerging "NEW BREED" of Jehovah's Witnesses

by kool aid man06 in

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the "ever-changing doctrine" of the watchtower org.

is now creating an "incubator of doubts" that seems to be "hatching" this so-called "new breed" of witnesses.

watchtower publications written with purposeful ambiguous articles seems to be allowing many witnesses to become extremely liberal in their way of thinking.the watchtower org's view, as of late, in making more things a conscience matter, blood issues, voting, alternative service, organ transplants, attending weddings and funerals in churches, celebrating holidays, etc.

Not Feeling It

Ditto this.

My parents have been of this variety for quite a while. The majority of the BOE in thier Hall have been this way too. Dad tells me that there are more and more that are less dogmatic and allow for conscientious freedom. I've been to a lot of KHs around the country. I'm just not seeing it.

Sorry, still not going back.

-- Not Feeling It

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I'm new too!

by Annointeds Daughter in

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i'm new to the forum.

i've been lurking for some time, since i was "disconnected" by my husband, "tooktheredpill".

i'm a 3rd generation witness, and still inside of the borg, because all my family is inside.

Not Feeling It

Welcome warmly!

Keep holding your breath for that deep spiritual osmosis that you'll get from the annointed parent. I have an annointed grandparent. The only thing it ever got me is oohs and ahhs from the true-believers. Pfft!

--Not Absorbing It

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Has Anyone Else Heard about the Second Letter Re KH Funds?

by jamiebowers in

do you remember when someone posted that the society recently sent a letter to all of the kh's asking that they deposit their funds in the society's bank, so the society could earn interest on each congregation's principal?

i heard from a confidential source that a second letter was sent to the congregations who haven't yet done so, telling them that they are selfish and unwilling to help christ's brothers.

if this is correct, does anyone have a scan of the letter they could share on jwd?

Not Feeling It

No, haven't heard that. But apparently there is a rumor about a letter eliminating the Book Study.

-- Not Crawling Out From My Rock

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BETHELITES - Whatever Became of?

by Black Man in

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i often times wonder what happened to certain bethelites that i ran around with during my 1990s tenure there.

while there are still a few left there, the greater majority of them aren't there for various reasons (marriage, disillusionment, left the borg, etc).

a couple of cats i wonder about - there was one brother who i believe was from kansas, who got his fingers cut off in a printing press.

Not Feeling It

Interesting thread to bump up.

I only comment here because of this part:

FF:
That Mark McCumber -- is that the same one as the golfer on the pro tour a few years back? I understand that McCumber is a JW.
A great golfer, world class -- up there in the top 10 or 20 in the world for awhile. I thought we'd be seeing him on the Senior Tour.
I don't know for certain if that is the same one that JB was talking about or not.
I met Mark McCumber, the pro golfer, in his congregation (Ponte Verde Beach, FL) 15 years ago or so. He seemed to be a very nice man, but that was just a couple brief meetings. Back then he was being held back from "privleges" because of his involvement in the PGA....he really didnt have time for much then other than being a good publisher...he was running his own company or course design or something (http://www.mccumbergolf.com/markMcCumber.htm) .. I have heard that he is either a MS or elder now...I thought he retired, but wikipedia says he still plays on the Champion's Tour...but hasnt won an event on it.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_McCumber)... I would have to ask a sister who just moved to my area from his congo if she knows more about him...
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Mark is a wonderful person. If more Witnesses were like him the JWs might actually be a level, mainstream religion instead of a looney farm filled with martyrs and zealots. He is still an elder in Ponte Vedra Beach (Verde is a common misspelling). He still plays. I don't follow golf enough to understand in what capacity.

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Whos That Knocking on the Door? Research Examines the Jehovah's Witnesses

by jgnat in

one of my favorite christian pollsters, barna group, surveys jehovah's witnesses.

i am tickled.

i wonder how they found members to poll, considering the society has warned against participation in these sorts of polls?.

Not Feeling It

Regarding conservative views, I think generally Witnesses are more vulnerable to quack cures. Both from a macro, social point of view and in their personal lives. They still are quite anti-establishment.

That describes my parents and many of thier JW friends very well. Granted there is no perfect government. The US Constitution even grants that it was to establish "a more perfect union". I love that.

Anyway, many of the JWs I know are the most bizarre combination of anti-establishment, moral prudes you can find. It's like they went to Woodstock and said, "No free love for me, thanks. I'm just here 'cause The Man is keeping me down." Whatever works for you. I will say that JWs only advocate overthrow of government by Jehovah's hands. Hardly counterrevolutionaries.

I think it is sad that there are so many unmarried Witness folks. I think it is lack of selection and opportunity, mostly

This is sad. I knew two sisters as a child in the Hall who completely gave up on marriage because the New Order was so near. They were old (70s) then. I can't imagine they are still waiting now.

I'm not so sure about the selection. Maybe it's tough if you are older and single, but the dating circuit was pretty brisk when I was a whippersnapper. I had no problem finding a girlfriend from 17 to 23. The real problem is that you get pushed to marry so soon if you do date. I've been married 13 years now. It's been tough at times but I wouldn't change it. Leaving the confines of JW church has been the best thing for our relationship. MUCH less catering to what others say you should do with your life.

Yeah, I digress. Those JWs are an interesting bunch.

-- Not Feeling It

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Attention lurkers! Come on in, the water's fine!

by Mickey mouse in

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i have been here for almost six months now and thought i would mark the occasion by starting one of these threads.

you may have been lurking on this site for a while, learning a lot but too afraid to participate.

i was convinced that somehow my ip address would be traced or i would be i.d'ed.

Not Feeling It

Hey LisaVegas,

Isn't that picture from MBBS from the story about the (hot) women who hooked up with the fallen angels producing the Nephilim? Funny how one portion of a picture can bring up so many memories.

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Long list= Brothers who have ripped you off! $$$ has this happened to you?

by Witness 007 in

1. the elder i was in a bissness with decided a hand shake was not a contract, and paid me $500 dollars instead of the $3,000 he should have....i felt so stupid, but quit with him and treated him like a disfellowshiped person since....also he would pay me half a days wage when i worked from 8am till 3pm ???????

when told about this he said sorry but "couldn't work out how to re-emburse the lost hours.".

2. my elderly mum sold some furniture when moving, to a sister who promised to pay from her single parent pension in small installments........nope!

Not Feeling It

a business called Trimclad or Trimline, where they did that pin striping on cars

I heard of Trimline around mid-90s near Philly. I knew at least 2 JWs that were into it.

I had my own shady business story when I got involved with an elder's publishing business. I was just a lowly R&F. Anyway, my biggest mistake was sinking all my faith in him. When things went sour, all his "promised" business went away. I tried recourse with the PO and other elders and got nothing. He was and is a slippery SOB. Eventually I got him to settle what he owed for a few grand. I got a real life lesson out of it. I was very naive. Forget that not suing your brother nonsense. I'd never intentionally work with a JW again. But if I did and the business went south... small claims court would surely ensue.

I have worked for two other witnesses before without issue. One of them is also no longer with the JWs. He is a good guy.

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Whos That Knocking on the Door? Research Examines the Jehovah's Witnesses

by jgnat in

one of my favorite christian pollsters, barna group, surveys jehovah's witnesses.

i am tickled.

i wonder how they found members to poll, considering the society has warned against participation in these sorts of polls?.

Not Feeling It

Just put the word 'Jehovah' in the search field and it will show up.

Thanks Sammy T. I did just that. Funny how that is the secret to many a fall from grace in JW-Land! "OMG! I searched teh Intarnets for Jehovah and my world fell apart!"